Rage Against the Machine

Just read this post from Grerp and to be honest, I think she really does have a good point in terms of the Manosphere as of late. It can be said that the attitude men display (and yours truly has been guilty of this as well) has been ramping up as of late and possibly taken a path not unlike that of our Feminist detractors. It has been said many a time that the Manosphere is it’s own worst enemy, scaring off potential supporters by extreme hyperbole and simple hatred of women.

Men need all the assistance, which is available at this time; there really is no such thing as a surplus support as far as Men’s Rights goes.

However, why such caustic positions from men? Why all the nihilism and exaggeration of the MGTOW position when seeking out MRA websites and blogs? In fact on this article on The Spearhead, some commenters took a female article writer to task. The article was good and was actually illuminating on how women can be abusive behind closed doors. I didn’t agree with the positions of many of the commenters there but one named GT66 really got my attention and summed up my thoughts exactly on why many NAM are so aggressive as of late. He was commenting in regards to the anti women sentiment the author who went by Izzey was receiving from the Spearhead regulars.

Izzey

 “You wanted to hate me.”

GT66

“That is woman talk. Not trusting you is NOT hating you. Who the hell here even knows you to hate you. However, it is the height of arrogance to think you can walk into the midst of this crowd and think they’ll gather to you with hands and hearts held out. Why the immediacy of your need get validation from this group of castaways anyway? I don’t get it and that and your gender, is at the core of my distrust.

Do you really not get what is happening here? Your comments esp the ones about hate and enemies lead me to believe that you are grossly ignorant of what sites like this are to some men. This and a few other sites are the equivalent of battered men’s shelters that don’t exist in the brick and mortar world. Do you really not understand that you are as comforting to a man here as a man would be to a woman in a battered women’s shelter? No one trusts you because we can’t trust you and for many, we don’t want to trust you at least not right now. Do you really not see that? Do you maybe now understand the response? Can you accept that hate has nothing to do with it and trust and pain everything? Can you understand that after the last forty years, the last thing a man needs to hear from a woman is “I know how it is?”

Do your volunteer work. Be motivated by whatever motivates you. If you really do care and really do sympathize with men then that’s all that’s necessary. And right now, that’s maybe all that many men are prepared to tolerate from a woman regardless of her well meaning. But honestly, drop the hate thing. It’s not true, and it puts you and us in the same female victim vs. big bad male roles that feminists have been hammering both genders into for so, so long now. That, obviously, does little to build the trust you want us to have in you.”

Spot on GT66, men aren’t going to say it but the truth is that NAM are one thing and one thing above all else.

They are hurting.

Man are in pain right now because they are being treated like slaves and they know it. They are being treated with no more reverence or respect than an object to be used and possibly discarded when exhausted. Furthermore, they are surprised when the arena they where told existed to air their concerns due to the ‘equality’ women fight for so much is nothing but a paper tiger used as means to brow beat them back into submission while the issue which brought them to this point initially is not only unsolved, but possibly aggravated.

Men are reacting, their reason, their rationale and their logic has been torn to shreds and is slowly but surely being replaced with anger.  Is it right? Absolutely not and I will be the first person to say it. However, the main thing is what to do now? As a black man in North America, I know full well about getting your back up and protecting yourself because you know that you are ‘the little fish in a big pond’ and you have a target on your back from others. However, the one thing which I get more convinced of every day is that White Men in Western Countries are now facing this very same situation as they realize that the people who say they are on their side are the very same ones who have a knife poised at your back.

Like I had stated in my last post, this is only self preservation, it isn’t right, it isn’t moral, and it isn’t politically correct and in some cases, I really don’t agree with it, but how long can you kick a dog before it tries to rip your foot off? No matter what, that dog is finally going to register that you aren’t a friend but an enemy and now it will have to defend itself AGAINST you, it isn’t a matter of IF it will happen, but WHEN will it happen and we are starting to see the slow boil which feminism has been creating in men start to reach a critical point. What some of us fail to realize is that men are getting attacked every single day, their masculinity is denigrated, their innovations and contributions undermined and ignored, and their motivations investigated for foul play before they even open their mouths. Every day men are facing affronts to their existence and before the old wounds can even heal, new wounds are opened up and exacerbated.

Hey, some men have what most men would die for, a family, which loves and cares for them and doesn’t act as if he is a walking ATM machine, but some don’t. What I mean by my last statement is more than just words on an electric page, I mean take a look at your family, the kids you love, your wife who you adore and met so many years ago and then imagine them being ripped away from your life and having a court justice stand over you, belting out a sentence that you may only be able to afford if you reduce your sleeping patterns drastically and then wonder how you would you feel then?

It’s so easy to think that other men just need to ‘man up’ when you have your family with you and they kiss you good night and say “I love you Daddy” before they disappear up the stairs, knowing full well that you will see them tomorrow morning. What would happen if you where reduced to a room in a house and most of your paycheque went to those same kids and you never heard their voices except for an hour every night on the phone? How acceptable would you be if on your children’s birthdays or your wedding anniversary instead of blowing out candles and seeing the smiling faces of your family you are instead looking at the same 4 walls you looked at the night before and watching the lions share of your money going to someone you would love to even see, but your not allowed at the moment by court order? How reasonable do you think you’d be then?

This is reality for some men, not me as I have no kids, but many men face this every day and other single men see it and want no part of that sort of pain. I wouldn’t wish this sort of thing on any man, not even my worst enemy.

This is the Gordian Knot that the Manosphere faces, men are P!SSED at what’s currently happening, and p!ssed that simply telling women what the deal is a fools errand. While some of the attitudes which are displayed on the manoshere are actually counter productive, the reality is that I simply cannot blame men for reacting the way they currently do. They tried the ‘nice’ route for years and got nothing but ‘sand kicked in their faces’ for their trouble. I’d really like to see more reasoned responses in the Manosphere, but I too also can get my knickers in a twist at the best of times so I’m really preaching to the choir at this point.

We don’t want to get to the point where MRA’s are just male versions of feminists, but in order to do so men may have to put aside their hostility for the current regime. In my honest opinion, that will be far easier said than done (if it can even BE done) as the long fuse has already been lit and men’s patience has been worn very thin.

Omnipitron

Welcome to the Jungle Part One; Incentive

 

At the end of the day, we are all animals. Sure us human beings can operate on a higher level due to our reasoning capabilities, but at our cores, our reptilian brains still do hold a lot of sway over our behavior. What I mean is that as any other creature on this planet, there are two main opposing forces, which shape the vast majority of our choices in our lives.

Pleasure and Pain.

All animals attempt to gain pleasure, and avoid pain, as they exist in life. Pretty straightforward so far, right? Sometimes the motivation is solely the acquisition of pleasure, sometimes it’s the avoidance of pain, and on some rare occasions it can be both at the very same time. Now, sometimes things in nature can get a little strange when looking at it from this perspective, I mean, a male Praying Mantis (Mantis religiosa.) can’t copulate until it’s head has been forcibly removed. However, the lack of reproducing carries enough pain that it could be fair to surmise the decapitation being worth it…to him, or it I should say.

Now consider having a pet, what does every trainer know about the basics of getting an animal to act in a certain way? They of course use the power of pain and pleasure in order to reinforce certain behaviors they want to see. Using pleasure when their chosen animal exhibits behavior they want repeated, and inflicting pain when the animal exhibits behavior they wish reduced. However, there is also one more aspect we don’t want to miss, they may use indifference when the animal is exhibiting behavior which is neither deemed positive or negative.

In this case, we now have altered pleasure and pain into reward and punishment, and the paradigm of rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior has been around since the dawn of time. This same procedure can be easily recognized when looking at any group of people where a hierarchy exists. Parents teach their young using the reward/punishment method, teachers also use this on students whether in school or in other arenas such as martial arts or even apprentices. Coaches of all stripes, the military, even in the office this very basic but very effective methodology is as easy to recognize as sunlight.

Even consider what the police exist to do, we have laws in society, and their role is to enforce those laws by doling out punishment to the people who disobey. That is pain right there, most observe the laws to avoid the pain of loss of freedom or monetary penalties.

So there you have it, pain/pleasure, punishment/reward is a very powerful tool, which can be used to influence behavior. Its effectiveness is ubiquitous from humans to animals and from training the brand new to the maintenance of certain behaviors in society. One also must remember that when this powerful tool is used for good, the results are very positive, when used for what one knows is selfish and for their own gain, this is seen as manipulation.

That is a very key point right there, but that is a topic for another post.

Pain and Pleasure and the self-regulation of society aren’t small factors to disregard.
If one looks at “powerful” civilizations of the past/present, you will notice many familiar patterns within them. You will see that chastity is rewarded amongst their women and leadership and morality are rewarded amongst it’s men. Lewdness, lasciviousness, promiscuity, and infidelity is not just treated with indifference by it’s people, but punished, harshly. Not only was learning these skills important and rewarded when young, but the teaching of those same skills was also rewarded when older. Consider the humiliation of the scarlet letter in the past, or even shotgun weddings. What do you think used to happen in ‘the good old days’ when Pa and his sons found out that little Judy got a black eye from her husband? Anyone want to wager that Judy’s brothers and father decided to give her hubby a little impromptu ‘sensitivity lesson’…personally? The ‘law’ of the land was going to be followed and what it made you feel like during these humiliating situations was of no consequence to society.

If you where good, you where made an example of. If you where bad…you where made an example of.

The goal here is self evident, reward positive behaviors and punish negative behaviors in your society in order to self regulate. Yes we are better than animals, we no longer sh!t on the floor and had toilet trained ourselves, but animals we are just the same at our cores and it was important to keep this in mind.

Reward, punishment, pain, pleasure, this is simply called incentive. The main motivator of why anyone, or any animal does anything in life.

As we can see in this society, why it’s in decline can be viewed by what sort of behavior is rewarded and punished. This has been repeated ad infinitum on the manosphere, how women’s behavior has changed and how they get rewarded for it so what I want to touch upon right now is men specifically. While I do understand that women have a poor grasp of cause and effect, I still am a little confused by their popular stance in regards to contemporary men. Women lament about the lack of good men but the current punishment/reward system in regards to men is completely @$$ backward.

Currently, most if not all of the positive behaviors which creates a steadfast, ambitious and virtuous young family oriented man is not only given no reward, not even shown indifference, but thoroughly punished, sometimes brutally.

“Nice” guys ground into pulp by the brutal and unforgiving dating market all the while watching all sorts of jack@$$es being rewarded with all sorts of women, time and time again. They fight the urge to ‘turn to the darkside’, but reward and punishment are very powerful motivators. Some drop out of the dating market all together, others leave ‘the Jedi’ ranks behind and become ‘Sith’.

We avoid pain, and embrace pleasure.

Innocent men being falsely accused of rape and violence and no one lifting a finger to assist them. In fact, you see many men (and a scant few women) regularly receive punishments for standing up for what’s right and trying to remind society of the laws our forefathers put into place.

We avoid pain and embrace pleasure.

We see good husbands imprisoned in bad marriages and treated just like they where lazy ignorant partners. A good portion of the time these men are divorced and ripped to shreds in the family court system. They may not see their kids, or may even be jailed. A good portion of the time they become indentured slaves to their wives who more often than not have left them with no justified reason other than frivolity packaged as her birthright.

We avoid pain and embrace pleasure.

I want to stress something here very important, that there is a very large difference between men being shown simple indifference to “being good and mature” and being punished for it. A man may engage in looking to please women, continuing to woo them even if no positive or negative feedback is received. While men and women get married for primarily different reasons, men would still have decent motivations for marriage and continue to do so.

The prevalence of ‘nice, marriage minded guys’ won’t be as high as if it where rewarded of course, but more men will still engage from time to time than currently. However, when punishments are delivered as they are now, just like training an animal or a young child, well the results will be the contemporary society we have around us. “Mature” marriage minded men are on the decrease, while ‘playas’ are on the rise. This is what the current punishment/reward paradigm is producing; expecting anything otherwise is foolhardy and impossible. 

Where did all the ‘good’ men go? They did what any organism does when faced with a particular dangerous situation. They are protecting themselves; self-preservation is inherent in all living organisms and humans are no different.

Essentially, men engaging in their prior behaviors of marriage and fatherhood carry too much risk, far too much punishment and not nearly enough reward. To take the position a la ‘The Thinking Housewife’ that honor is enough of a reward for men to engage in such risky ventures is to ignore the problem at large. MGTOW isn’t simply a catchy slogan; it’s the cold and hard truth that only by ignoring women and this society that a man’s own interests may be somewhat protected. So long as these risks are present, so long as the current society rewards negative behaviors in both men and women while punishing the positive ones, then catastrophe is the only thing which will get everyone’s notice. Men now have an incentive to AVOID marriage and cohabitation with women, this doesn’t bode well for women or society and simple foolishness like honor and shaming will not turn the tide of men saying no to the alter. You may of course ask, “Why don’t men tell women what the deal is in regards to current society? Why don’t men tell women that this situation will hurt them too?”

Guess how that approach usually gets ‘rewarded’

Omnipitron

The Cocktail Cougar

Relatively decent night at the bar, made some good tips which always helps out, but something transpired tonight which really had my attention, well mine and many other of my co-workers as well. See as I started my shift, I happened to notice a particular patron sitting in a booth right across from the bar with an acquaintance of mine. Well, notice may not be the right word for this particular situation. See, I’ve worked in bars and nightclubs on and off for the last 15 years. I’ve worked in quite a few different venues including a huge ‘super club’ in Downtown Toronto, and a small college pub in my parent’s city. It doesn’t take much effort to understand the patterns of the club goers which patronize these locations, the behavior displayed, the style of dress, you get the picture. The bar I work at part time is no world-class club in downtown T.O, simply a small bar and grill in a suburb 45 minutes West of the ‘big city’.

Bluntly, this bar is the sort of locale where a woman wearing a red cocktail dress would stick out like a tsunami hitting an island.

Now, I have to give credit where it’s due, this woman pulled off this cocktail dress DAMN well, but after all the years I’ve been in the Industry, one thing came to my mind. Even from my vantage point, it could be easily seen that this woman was…er…mature so logic dictated that she was …er….experienced enough to know what it was she looked like with her ‘get up’ in such a small location. To me this meant one thing; she was screaming for attention and knew that this was a place which increased her chances of being noticed. She was with two other women, one being my acquaintance, and while they too had dressed a little more formal for some particular occasion (I found out later it was a birthday party) they where both horrifically under-dressed compared to their compatriot. Was I correct about this possible attention whore?

Oh wait, there’s more.

As the night wore on, our fearless cougar had happened to snare some very lucky prey. This dude and our heroine had come back to the bar and started to put on a show for everyone to see.  Well, these two started going at it like teenagers in heat, she was clearly happy that someone was paying attention to her, and he was happy that he scored a hottie. I swear it was like watching Wild Kingdom on television they way they went at it, all we needed was the British voice over and we would have been set!! During a discussion with one of our bouncers during the live action documentary, some illuminating facts came to my attention. Turns out that this woman was carded when she arrived with her two other female friends and had taken it as a compliment. She was 34 (surprise, surprise) and was at least 9 years older than her compatriots.

 

However, here is where the proof comes to light. She had been hitting on one of our bouncers  before she found her ‘Mr. Right Now’ and started to play “Pin the Tail on my tonsils” like it was December 31 2012. Gotta wonder how many others would have had a chance before the bait was taken?

 

Seriously? Yeah, seriously.

C’mon, I can understand a woman putting a man through his paces in order to make sure that he is worthy and all that. I mean, I can fully fathom that making the wrong choice in a man can have some pretty heavy consequences for her, but when a woman approaches the SMP (Sexual Market Place) like it’s an auction and she’s the prize (the one who pays attention to me WINS) what the hell does that say about her? She just meets this guy and engages in hardcore PDA’s that even make women sick for crying out loud? No word of a lie, there was actually a point when her and Mr. RN are in a booth, getting ‘reacquainted’ and one of our bouncers had to tell them to turn it down a notch.

Did I neglect to mention that she just met this guy tonight?

I personally cannot see any self-respecting couple, man or woman, allowing this sort of behavior to continue. Many dudes I know would call it a night and take their ladies home if she refused to stop being so ‘friendly’ and many women I know would possibly start slapping some cheeks for getting fresh. Many of us just stood there and watched the tableau unfold, it was like watching a car crash, gruesome and stomach turning, but you couldn’t turn away.

She had actually gotten involved in a security situation as the night wound down. However, she wasn’t actually fighting, she was trying to defuse the situation by calmly telling an angry patron to relax as the consequences where fairly serious if he continued. I’m not really used to that sort of thing from women, I can understand a woman calming down only her significant other, but a random guy with bouncers around? Maybe this was simply another way for her to get attention from other guys? Who knows?

At any rate, I don’t know her back-story and in reality I really don’t want to know. I doubt she has kids; most divorced single mothers can’t pull off dresses such as that even if they live in the gym but there are always exceptions. Now I’m going to take off my @$$hole hat for a moment. The thing which bothered me about her behavior the most was how desperate she came off. One dude pays her a little attention and she’s all over him like flies on sh!t? What sort of guy is okay with meeting a girl like that? What are the chances that he will stick around for the long haul? How many decent guys (that are left at that age and are willing to marry) would accept her behavior? If she is all over the first guy to ‘win the auction’ so to speak what does it say about her Marriage Market Value as Brendan calls it? What does that say about her standards for herself and any guy she meets if she is going to use her looks (which where considerable considering her…er…maturity) to meet men?

Do yourself a favor ladies, take stock of yourself and learn what it is you’re worth. While it was humorous to see this woman failing so badly in this endeavor, it was also somewhat sad. It was pretty clear that she was using her looks as the sole means of establishing her value, which means that over time she will feel powerless as her ‘value’ fades.

Don’t let this be you, the world will only laugh at you as you crash and burn. And for the fellas, read up on the manosphere, learn game, and if you are going to go down that path with the cocktail cougar, double glove that sh!t, alright?

Omnipitron

Them’s fightin’ words!!!

So we apparently have a war of words going on between feminists and MRA’s. If you stand back, you’ll see that feminist and MRA websites and blogs pretty much say the exact same thing. Replace Patriarchy with feminism and the messages at their core are virtually identical. It’s amusing in it’s irony, if it weren’t for the fact that men, women and children are suffering for it.

Both say they are being hurt by contemporary society and also both sides are stating that it’s all the others fault. If only they would start to listen to our plight so a consensus can be reached. So the war of words continues, neither side giving ground as both sides relate the issues pertaining to their own gender. Heels get dug in, frustration and anger erupts and the merry go round continues on its way. It appears we have reached a stalemate, or possibly a pissing contest depending on who is looking at which gender’s blog. “Who is getting hurt the worst” so to speak, and no matter how much one gender is getting disadvantaged, it obviously pales in comparison to what is currently happening to ours.

So, who’s right and who has their head up their @$$?

In truth, being a man against feminism, I obviously have a biased viewpoint here in thinking that it’s us dudes who are correct and it’s high time the ladies actually opened their ears. That being said, while feminists are mostly full of crap, there are some things, which I’d be lying if I said I didn’t see their point once in a blue moon.

However, what of the war of words? The Mexican standoff that both genders are currently facing in terms of our specific issues with society? It seems that there will be no clear winner as arguments are continuously launched and countered as we jockey for position, each trying to undermine the other with logic and other tactics. Men feel wronged and so do women. Women now feel as if their comeuppance has finally arrived. Technically in this day and age, men and women are interchangeable, so womankind isn’t threatened by any male rhetoric negative to their cause. No reason to pay attention to teh dudez, haven’t you read “The End Of Men?” All’s well in Wonderland and men have a hard time proving otherwise.

That is, however until the Misandry Bubble deepens. As time goes on, the differences between men and women will become more apparent, painfully so as it slowly begins to dawn on women that marriage and security while valuable to both genders aren’t valued to the same extent.

As the recession deepens and the economy continues to plummet, that even as their own security begins to diminish, it will be quite illuminating for women to realize that men by and large won’t be as upset by this situation as they are. To realize that men simply aren’t similarly affected by cutbacks to social services and health-care. That men can survive on very little which is a far cry from the much larger investment required for their own continued existence. We’re not even getting into child rearing in this stage of the game yet, that’s a whole different ball of wax.

The main thing, which will be very disconcerting to women, is that men can simply sit on their duffs, working what most would call a dead end job and take care of their own needs. Is it perfect for men; not bl**dy likely, it will be a terrible time make no mistake about that. However they can still survive under those circumstances. Due to promiscuity, women will have little to no leverage in getting their proposed partners to ‘man up’ that is if they can even find a suitable one in that day and age.

Men by and large married for regular sex, now that it’s so cheap, what do they lose by not marrying? That will be a very bitter pill for women to swallow and we are already starting to see this happening in the sexual marketplace.

It will be a very scary realization for a score of women, particularly feminists when they realize that it was indeed men who subsidized their supposed ‘equality’ and with no negative consequence for a man to bypass matrimony, their lack of ‘power’ will be highly frustrating and very distressing. Once women’s security and standard of living becomes threatened with no positive end in sight, I’m betting the volleys from Feminists will no longer carry as much bile and men’s ‘rhetoric’ will suddenly become rather interesting.

For the moment any feminist will argue this post and many other points I make as foolish or simply shame me into oblivion. That’s fine, this is exactly what I expect at this juncture as to both Feminists and MRA’s the future could go either way. Arguing feminists is simply a waste of time, and us guys can get sucked in trying to reason with the unreasonable. However, I will simply leave you with a quote from ‘President’ Morgan Freeman to ‘Investigative Reporter’ Tea Leoni in the movie ‘Deep Impact’. Essentially he reminded her that he was the president even though she had some critical information, which could undermine his plans.

“It may appear that we have each other over a barrel Miss Lerner, but it only SEEMS that way.”

Omnipitron

Out of the Mouth of Babes….sort of

Out on a short-term project at a clients’ facility at the moment, which gives me, some face time with my direct manager.  I’ve been working with this guy for a long time, almost 12 years in fact for this company and I’ve known him for about 4 years before that. It was him who had actually got me the job for this company when I was down and out (and the company was quite a bit different then) 12 years ago so I owe him quite a bit. He was only working part time back then but they sorely needed staff and I sorely needed a job which was a match made in heaven. As an aside, he knows I have serious ADHD, and he works with me in order to assist me get the best out of myself. Most people don’t, and wouldn’t even try to understand my situation.

I owe this guy the world, there is no other way I can say it.

However, before I get too far ahead of myself, I need to give you guys a little info on my Manager. You see he is in his mid 20’s, so he is 10 years younger than me. That’s right, you do the math and I’ve known him since he was in highschool. Let me tell you something else, he is one of the most driven individuals I have ever met in my life. I have watched him work up the ladder of success from being a fulltime highschool student, to a fulltime university student, to graduating University and working with the company fulltime (he was part time all those years previously), to actually succeeding me (wasn’t too hard for him really, I wasn’t diagnosed then and was a schlepper, but that takes nothing away from his drive) to becoming a manager of our company.

This young man is scarcely old enough to rent a car in America, and he has finished yet another correspondence course in terms of business, bought his own home (he’s single) is looking to further his formal business education, invests regularly and is the Manager of Operations of a 7-figure division in a gigantic company.

Not bad huh, not bad at all.

To top it all off, this guy isn’t ugly at all, I’ve actually seen this guy in public and be completely ignorant to the female attention he regularly grabs. I don’t think he considers himself Brad Pitt, but in all honesty when you consider everything about him he is a mustang surrounded by Kia’s.

This is the kind of guy, which makes quite a few of us ‘normal’ people look like lazy bums in comparison. When he tells me about the ideas he has for our division and where he sees us, I simply can’t believe the amount of vision he has for someone so young. We where actually talking about one of the many new plans he has for us now when he happened to talk about his personal life for a smidge. You see, he is in no hurry to get married, there is far too much for him to do at this juncture, but his girlfriend is.  He had said that she believes they are all set, now, house, good job, and savings so marriage and children are looking pretty good right about now.

I chuckled when he said that.

In essence, he and his gf are indeed ready to ‘settle down’ but everything I have just written which proves that they are ready have come from HIM, nothing from her. Now I’ve met his gf, she is far more reasonable than most North American Women, but I still had to explain to my young but very successful manager the real deal.  Despite all the claims otherwise by women and the lamestream media, things really haven’t changed much from the man-provider, woman-provided for role we saw in history. Of course she sees that they are ready for a more serious relationship, they have HIS house, and HIS steady income, what else is there?

Now this is where he truly showed how smart he really is.

He had stated that even though men are still on the hook for their responsibilities as far as families go, they don’t get the same ‘privileges’ any longer so to speak. Let me just say this for the record, he has never been to an MRA blog, and I rarely tell him anything about what I have seen in the manosphere. He came to this ever present, but oft ignored conclusion all by himself.

Ain’t it great ladies?

He then told me that whenever his gf says they should move in together, he pulls out the logic card and he does have enough game to make it work. He tells her that he will sell his house, and they will buy a bigger one, and then they can settle down. She, natch, can’t afford it, to which he replies “Then why do you want to move in together?”

Ah gotta love it.

He knows the deal, and the thing, which really makes me shake my head, is that this guy is a catch by any woman’s standards. He has a decent amount of game but I don’t think he actually understands the levels to which he could regularly score if he actually knew what the whole deal was. Make no mistake, if this guy spent even an hour on a PUA website, he would be dangerous.

C’mon, confident, good looking, young educated, and ferociously ambitious guy with a sh!tload of game? If he was a PUA, one couldn’t even say he would’ve been the type your mom warned you about, as everything else about him would have a girls parents whooping for joy at her good fortune. Well, before being pumped and dumped that is. I told him just that too, as far as his gf was concerned, she hit it out of the park by choosing him, most women will never even get a whif of a dude stacked like my manager and she knows it. I also bet that is why she is pushing to move in with him in the first place. As time goes on, my young manager is going nowhere but up, this does indeed put a little pressure on his gf’s SMP at the same time.

It’s funny, and sad all at the same time really. It was after my manager  stated his belief’s I realized how effed we all really where in society. This young stud is a woman’s wet dream, he is so driven that he doesn’t even realize what his SMP actually is and how he could use it for ‘evil’ (read; PUA) if he so chose. Yet even though he would rather settle down in the end he is balking at marriage because of the losing proposition that it creates for husbands and fathers.

Let’s say it together friends…GOOOOO FEMINISM

Omnipitron

Leaders of the Old Skool

 Just read this article from In Mala Fide and it had me all over the place. Frost was right, I’m not an Internet tough guy and it did move me to see the clip from UP. Also reading his linked post to Solomon II’s lost gold (thank you to Dalrock for saving these wonderful gems) had my head positively spinning. Every so often on the manosphere, reference is made to what our ‘grandfathers’ had, that some of us, sadly most of us will never get to experience. Sometimes, we imagine what it could be like, but sometimes we need something to shock us, to give us a dose of history to see what it is that most men are really missing out on.

Here you have a man, I would call him a man’s man, who had to actually go out and defend his country and way of life, risking it for everything he held dear. He existed in a different time, times that we only see through movies, and books. What he says about today’s women should be a real eye opener for current women. A quote from Solomon II c/o Dalrock;

“Listen to me.  A good woman ages beautifully.  When I look at my wife, I see the most gorgeous woman in the universe.  Her wrinkled hands got that way by keeping up with my two boys and working hard for them while I was on the road.  The lines under her eyes are from years of shedding tears for me when I was at war, and those wrinkles on her brow are from decades of worry for me and my two sons.  It was her legs they held on to when they were learning to walk, her lap was where they learned to read, and her breasts were their first nourishment. The first kiss those boys ever received was from her lips, and God willing, my last kiss will be from her lips.

You two don’t know what you’re missing – or maybe you do.  But all I know is that she’s as beautiful, desirable, and lovely today as the day I met her, and I wouldn’t trade one second with her for a lifetime of rowdiness with one of those harlots you guys have waiting for you back home.

You two don’t know what beauty is.  In a way, I feel sorry for both of you.  I’m not getting on your case, because if there’s one thing I’ve learned from my own sons, it’s that women aren’t what they used to be.

The whole thing is just goddamn pathetic if you ask me.”

How many wives would love to have their husbands talk about them like Philly talked about his wife? How many mothers would love to have their sons in law talk about their daughters the same way?

I’m betting quite a few.

Then why on God’s green earth are you ladies allowing bullsh!t to get in the way of what you know needs to be done? Why is it that when a man talks about the current set of circumstances other men face that so many feminists and ‘concerned ladies’ would rather argue or ignore it? It took a network of men to keep things on an even keel, to keep their boys, who we all knew would be taking their places one day, on the straight and narrow and it will take a network of men to possibly make a dent in today’s ludicrous society. This right here is something that a few women are indeed afraid of, yes that their young sons are growing up in a world which will throw them to the wolves, but also to a world filled with more and more PUA’s and less and less ‘NICE’ men for their daughters.

Yet when men tell you what the issue is, you don’t want to listen, or defend your current practice of p!ssing into the wind. Nice.

Those words came from an old school man, he had something which quite a few men would die for, some ‘young bucks’ are screaming at the top of their lungs why there is an issue…and it boggles my mind that so many women don’t want to listen. I can understand feminists, but I’m appalled at the amount of ‘concerned’ women who have their head up their @$$.

Yeah, the clip from UP, Solomon II’s, and Frost’s posts really hit me hard, and moved me, but it also enraged me at the same time. I’ll be blunt, IF you are a woman who cares ONE WHIT about the future of your children and you make it a regular habit NOT to listen to men and their issues, you are dumber than dirt, period.

You want to make sure your daughter finds a good man without caring about men’s needs, then I would suggest you find a good Genie, or wish upon a star, because with every passing year, it’s going to get more difficult.

Omnipitron

Sluts Have Rights Too!!!

Had a very long day today dealing with a large client on a complicated project. Lots of training and lots of bureaucracy. Came back to the office and decided to check out today’s paper for it’s more ‘colourful’ merit’s (the sunshine girl on the last page.)

Auck, I saw the front page and almost lost what little lunch I had.

This article in the Toronto Sun was of course the source of my intestinal distress. Due to the utterings of a Constable Micheal Sanquinetti, women of Toronto organized a ‘Slut Walk’ to protest his foolish and insensitive statement. One guess what that statement was….if you guessed that dressing provocatively can sometimes garner the wrong sort of attention, you get the boobie prize. Apparently he was at York University and had told a law class that “women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.” and this is the resulting sh!tstorm which resulted.

Gotta love how Toronto’s police chief said the Micheal WHO SPOKE THE TRUTH had uttered “something stupid and he’s apologized.” Sing it with me now….”Aliiiiice…..in HAAAAMSTERLAND!” More quotes from the article;

Protest co-founder Sonya Barnett said victims are “never at fault.”

“Slut shaming needs to be addressed,” the York undergrad said.

No sh!t Hun, but not for the reasons you believe. Maybe if sluts where shamed a little more than perhaps the degradation of society would cease, yeah? Remember friends, these are also the same women who are wondering where all the nice guys are and are tired of all these playa’s, right? Hey, rape is a heinous crime, I do not condone rape in any of it’s forms and do believe it’s disgusting and very damaging. HOWEVER, if you are stupid enough to dress like a 3 dollar whore and then wonder why you got followed home or worse, OR, if you are mentally deficient enough to take a guy you barely know home, get his motor running and then stop at 3rd base, you are gambling with your life and your future. For crying out loud even my SISTER knows how stupid such actions are and told me just that a few years back, but I guess these womyn are convinced of their own fantasy.

This Constable was smart enough to see things for what they really where, woman like Sonya Barnett, on the other hand as well as any other ‘child’ who took part in this foolish parade, are simply overgrown kids who want to play in big people clothes and then go right back to playing with their toys when they are done.

The world doesn’t give a flying leap about what you want or what you feel like. If you play with the bull, you get the horns. There are some dudes out there who will indeed listen when you state “No means no”, but there are some who won’t. It is a shame, I’m not saying it’s right at all, but you need to PROTECT YOURSELF in this manner. I would love to walk around at anytime and at any place on this planet myself, but as a black man, you won’t find me alone in certain places on this continent as certain groups who identify themselves with only three consonants if you catch my drift may decide to have a ‘word’ with me. This constable was only trying to mitigate future empowered women from making other foolish mistakes and increasing their odds of having their lives changed drastically.

“Jane Doe, a high-profile survivor who successfully sued Toronto Police for not warning residents of a home-invading attacker in 1986, said attitudes that women’s clothing invites rape are perpetuated by media, police and church leaders.”

Remember what I said about women arguing with guys?

Don’t worry though, Const. Michael Sanguinetti has been reprimanded and is undergoing ‘further training’ because of his little ‘whoopsie’. All in a days work for a man trying to tell the truth in the Matrix.

Omnipitron

Alice In Hamsterland?

 We all know about the rationalization hamster thanks to Roissy, that wonderful bit of validation which women (and some men) will engage in so they can explain away something they don’t wish to see. However, what I’m wondering about now is the realm the rash-ham returns these people too. The hamster only races on its wheel when something seems wrong with a tidbit of inconvenient information. Information, which will upset someone’s perception of the world forcing him or her to view things in a different manner, a manner they don’t wish to acknowledge. The hamster shows up to explain things away in a manner, which protects this worldview, saving the day sort to speak.

So there is more to this than meets the eye, no? 

See, women want to protect their feelings and maintenance of this perception of the world, which does so, is key to this. They will use any means necessary to achieve this end. If logic no longer serves this purpose, than the Rationalization Hamster can and often does take over. So, a woman’s feelings are protected as her irrational viewpoint is shored up in a fantasy world, a literal wonderland where nothing can attack her.

Nothing…except reality.

The dangerous thing about Wonderland is that while it fills people with warm fluffies, it has very little basis in reality at times. Sometimes it’s a stretch, and other times one really has to wonder what color the sky is in their world. Exceptions taken as the rule, dismissal of a great many experiences which counter their own, yup, Wonderland is obviously the real deal, to these people, their reality is obviously the real one as IT doesn’t affect their worldview negatively.

Sometimes, Wonderland is the complete inverse of reality, and the results can be catastrophic.

However, all of this doesn’t matter, Wonderland is a magical place where nothing bad can ever exist and the evils of society can be put into a nice and neat little box. Usually left on the doorstep of men. Women can and often will fight tooth and nail to protect Wonderland, no matter how much it could and does hurt themselves and even womankind. Wonderland must be protected, no matter the cost, and pesky things like reality are simply intruders, which need to be eradicated so the Shangri-La of Wonderland remains undisturbed. 

Reality is a very pesky intruder indeed.

This is why you will often even see women argue with men over what motivates male sexuality. Who better to learn from than a bunch of men, right? Sadly no, the ugly truth is too much to bear for quite a lot of women. It would make them feel bad so they would rather escape to Wonderland, use their rationalization hamsters to destroy those pesky statistics, debase that annoying logic, and be whisked away once more to a place where their truth, no matter how illogical, no matter how utterly disproved still remains.

In reality, this mindset is also highly dangerous.

One of my favorite women on the Manosphere is Thag Jones who did her best to shake some people out of Wonderland with unassailable truth late last year. She was simply stating a very true fact that if a woman marries while she is younger she faces a much better chance of finding the type of man she wants. The thing, which amazed me, was that in order for her to do that, she had to face down a very ugly truth herself, the same truth many of these women and their supportive Mangina Yes-Men didn’t want to face.

I had to give Thag props for that, it simply can’t be easy to face something along the lines that she did.  Thag told me something I have heard before but in this context I will never forget. She said, and I quote; “I’d rather be told the ugly truth that a pretty lie”

Damn skippy, and you are stronger than you know for even being able to say that!!!

The thing is, that pretty lie can and often does lead to an ugly truth. As a man, I can’t see how it could be comfortable to see or admit it, but its important for a woman to comprehend. Waste your time now on sexy men who can’t commit, and you may impede your prospects later in life. Not a comfortable truth to realize, but a necessary one just the same. The thing which I think steamed Thag the most, was that some of the women there wanted to stay in Wonderland so long that they would give younger women bad advice in order to bolster their own incorrect viewpoint.

Interesting.

Women grab hold to any little facet in the world, which will bolster their position, therefore reinforcing their fantasy and making Wonderland more real. Take cougars for example; this little movement has women whooping for joy. Women actually still being considered sexually powerful beings well into what one would normally have considered middle age. So now, women can reject the idea that they are ‘over the hill’ and can STILL corner the sexual marketplace far after their Wil. E Coyote moment. They took that bone and ran with it, as we all know.

Gotta love Wil. E. Coyote.

I had a talk with my SIL once about cougars and she related the story of her best friend’s sister. You see, she’s a self-avowed cougar, 50 years young and takes good care of herself. I have actually met this woman and can vouch for her tenacity in this regard. However, here’s the scoop; she has two teenaged kids, and she is high maintenance so her prospective guy needs to be able to pull in lots of bread. The kicker, she doesn’t want a guy older than 30.

Nice.

I asked her how that was going, no surprise, still flying solo (NO, REALLY? WHO’DA THUNK IT?). She had asked me that how would a guy who made that kind of money at that age be fine with not having kids? He obviously would be young enough, how about his parents, wouldn’t they be just a tad upset? I then leveled with her, there are guys at that age who do make that kind of money…and they are getting much prettier and younger women than this cougar.

The room fell silent, I guess I troubled her Wonderland a little myself.

Wonderland says she can ask for whatever she wants, reality states that she is far too picky and the guys she wants don’t want her. Life doesn’t care how you FEEL; it doesn’t care about your likes or dislikes. It simply does what it does and one can play by “the rules” and increase your odds of being successful, or ignore them and increase you odds of failing. This is reality, and no, there are times that it isn’t nice. Even me for crying out loud, do I like the fact that I have ADHD and it makes life just a little harder? Do I like the fact that being black sometimes means the cops drive by me a little bit slower?

@#$^ no, but what am I going to do about that? What choice do I have?

I deal, by learning how to work with my ADHD, and NOT getting my @$$ caught by the cops by engaging in activities which would make them suspect me. It’s just that simple and all of us have inconveniences in our own lives that we deal with on a daily basis. We deal, as pretending that they aren’t there is simply a fool’s errand. I mean, temporarily, heck that would be sweet, but long term, painful. I don’t care if it makes you feel better, forgetting you have a mortgage and not paying it means that you will be downsizing eventually, it’s only a matter of time. Wonderland is great, but it can lead to Dante’s Inferno if you remain just a tad too long. Better just to never go there, really, and most definitely do not argue in favor of this ‘wonderful’ place opposed to reality.

Sorry, for a woman the deal simply is this;

A man isn’t going to want you for your money, men by and large don’t seek this out. You can be trumped by a sexy waitress. Ugly but true

A man isn’t going to find you as attractive in your 30’s and beyond as you where in your 20’s, hard I know, but this is the truth

If you focus on your career in your 20’s, then most of the ‘best’ men will already be taken and you will be fighting for the remainder 

You simply aren’t as strong as a man, and if you decide to hit one, he may hit you back, and he will hit harder. Iron Man2 was a movie, Scarlett Johansson would get owned in real life by ONE man

Treat a man with respect, this goes a long way, being a b!tch is only a media meme

Men like low mileage (or no mileage) women , if you bang everyone and the village idiot, this will (let me say that again) it WILL impede your chances for finding a ‘good spouse’ later

Men considered as ‘thugs’ CANNOT be changed into better men. I actually had a young alpha male tell me he COUNTS ON THIS in order to lure unsuspecting (read; stupid) women into his grasp. Bad boys are sexy, and undependable, time to realize this 

You are NOT doing a man a favor by marrying him. In all honesty, IF anyone is reciving a favor, IT’S YOU 

Treat your man well, you cannot trade up in the future, but your man just might, sorry this is truth

 

Let me say this final thing as it is a personal pet peeve of mine….STOP BLOODY WELL ARGUING WITH MEN OVER WHAT IT IS THAT MEN WANT. MEN KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO….THEY’RE MEN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

If you ignore the points I have just made, there is a very good chance you will end up exactly where you don’t want to be. Men don’t like 35 year old, high mileage bitches who think they can beat up men twice their size and has a high powered job. The reality is that the demure, pretty, 20 something waitress at Moxie’s will trump you and this is the bottom line!!!

I’ve been to Moxie’s, they hire well there!!! An established man has options, you in all reality DON’T want to be competing with them. The women who have achieved this are the exception NOT the rule.

Whether one wants to see facts, statistics or even reality, or not is irrelevant, life will do it what it does regardless of our useless bleating. And the best thing that we all need to learn is that umbrellas do not stop falling 10-ton boulders. 

Yeah, that will go far!! 

Omnipitron.

The Movement to Disbar Mary N. Kellett

This article is utterly amazing, sadly for the wrong reasons. This madness has to stop. Thank God that Scarecrow got this audio clip.

And yet her Husband was charged??

Here is the article in it’s entirety, it has to be read.

by Paul Elam on March 29, 2011

by Paul Elam
[Special note: I urge and implore all bloggers, anywhere on the internet, to reprint this article in its entirety with a link back to this page. Please help me get this event in front of as many eyes as possible. Thank you – PE]

There are often times that we shake our heads at injustices in the world. Sometimes it seems to be all we can do.  And with so many problems in modern life, and their often systemic, intractable nature, it can be difficult to choose what battles to fight and when.  Because of this we have increasingly become a nation of head shakers, concerned about an array of injustices but often not knowing where to turn or what to do to solve them.
With that in mind we have an opportunity, right here and now, to face down and fight against a terrible injustice, an absolute evil, going on in the state of Maine.
Vladek Filler is about to face trial for a second time on the charge of raping his wife, Ligia.  He was brought to trial the first time by Bar Harbor prosecutor Mary N. Kellett, who has sought to imprison Mr. Filler despite the fact that she knows that there is no physical evidence that he ever committed a crime, and despite the fact that his accuser Ligia Filler, has proven to be a violent criminal, a liar who has been caught in false allegations against her husband, and a physical and emotional abuser of her husband and children with a history of severe psychiatric problems.
Ligia Filler has been referred to as “certifiable” by sheriff’s department personnel who she repeatedly threatened to kill.
Mary Kellett’s professional conduct in this case breeches virtually all canons of legal ethics where it concerns prosecutors, from intentionally misleading jurors to avoiding pretrial discovery to actually asking a law enforcement officer to refuse to comply with a valid subpoena in order to help her conceal exculpatory evidence.
All of this, and many other similar cases, have been conducted under the supervision of Bar Harbor, Maine, District Attorney Carletta Bassano, leading to the almost unavoidable conclusion that the problem is not just one rogue prosecutor, but one in which District Attorney Bassano is an enabling accomplice.
Additionally, all of these events have transpired without so much as raising an eyebrow in local news media.
Given the complicity of her supervisor and the lack of attention by local media, Kellet appears emboldened to continue this reign of terror on the life of Vladek Filler, his children, and other innocents who reside in the community Kellett is supposed to protect.
After having Filler’s first conviction overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct by the Maine Supreme Court, she is coming after him again, putting him through another trial on the same slipshod evidence.
Kellett is not pursuing justice; she is making a mockery of it in ways that border on criminality.  She is out of control and no one with authority over her is doing anything about it.
And given the hubris demonstrated by her actions, it is clear she feels free to proceed with impunity.
We cannot, must not, allow this to happen.
This is a battle worth choosing to fight, and A Voice for Men is not the only place that is happening.  Glenn Sacks at Father’s and Families, the nation’s leader in father’s rights advocacy is speaking out about this story.  You can also read about it at The False Rape Society. This article will also  be running at the-spearhead.com, with thanks to our good friend Mr. W.F. Price.
The organization Stop Abusive and Violent Environments(S.A.V.E.) has taken the even more significant action, sending a Complaint for the Disbarment of Prosecutor Mary Kellett to the Maine Board of Overseers for the Bar.
They have also authored a letter to Paul LePage, the Governor of Maine, referencing the disbarment complaint and making an appeal for an intervention on Mary Kellett on behalf of Vladek Filler and the people of Maine.
And you can do your part.
Write Governor LePage here and respectfully insist on an investigation to the practices of Mary N. Kellett. The message can be as simple as. “For the sake of justice, please assure that Mary Kellett is relieved of her prosecutorial duties and disbarred from the practice of law.”
Write the Board of overseers for the Bar here, and insist that they respond to the allegations against Kellett with an investigation.
Lastly, try to get the media involved.  Bill Trotter does crime reporting for the Bangor Daily News.  You can write email him at btrotter@bangordailynews.com or phone him at 207-460-6318 and ask him to consider investigating this story.
Don’t wait for others to do this, please, or think that just one person calling and writing is enough. That would be a fatal mistake.
When you have done one or all the suggestions listed here, please come back to this thread and simply put the word “done” in the comments, wherever you are reading this.
What is happening in Maine is only a microcosm of what is happening across the western world. So regardless of where you live, your insistent message to one or all of these people can help force them to consider looking in to Kellett’s activities. And make no mistake about it, Kellett’s actions, if unchecked, are a forecast of own future. We know this is a witch hunt, but because most are ignoring it, it will spread.  If we take this silently, we have lost in the most tragic and disgraceful of ways.
This is a fight worth fighting, people. If you are reading this, you could be another Vladek Filler, or someone who cares about him. Your children could be hurt the same way his children have And your freedom, even if seemingly secure today, cannot be assured for tomorrow. As long as the likes of Mary Kellett are allowed to practice predatory prosecutions against innocent human beings no one is safe.
And If she is allowed to build a career on doing this, there will be nothing to stop the same from happening where you live.
It is your future, and your move.

[Addendum: A Voice for Men Radio is doing a one hour special on this tonight, March 29, 2011 at 9:00 p.m. EST. You can listen to the show live here, or the archives are always available in the sidebar at avoiceformen.com.]

Two eyes, two ears, and ONE MOUTH, get the picture??

Simply not in the mood right now to lie down and take it. I know that I have always said to ignore the stupidity of the foolish, but this time, I had simply had enough. On a great blog post by Grerp, a commenter decided to address me. My reply was too long to post there, (and believe me, I tried) so here it is.

I just couldn’t let sleeping dogs lie.

“If these beta guys need an incentive to be “nice,” it sounds like they weren’t really that “nice” to begin with. You make it sound as though women have a choice between open jerks (alphas) and secret jerks (betas).”

And you would know because you where a guy and had to grow up with misandristic laws and society, right? I was one of those nice guys years ago. While I’m not exactly an alpha jerk now (happily married) I must say that I do not trust many women further than I can throw them. And there you are making ALL men sound like jerks. It never occurred to you that perhaps men did actually try and listen to the advice women gave them and moreover, that possibly women are the ones in the wrong? Good for you, egalitarian, try again. Please keep proving me right, you’re making my job so much easier.

“In the world I live in, most guys seem to be pretty darn nice, including and perhaps especially the ones who are successful with women. The thing that makes some men more attractive than others (assuming we control for good looks) is confidence. Confidence is sexy. But you can be confident without being domineering or selfish.”

This I’m learning and I have to agree with you on this one point in regards to confidence. As for being nice, right, try again, been there, done that, bodysurfed that concert. Not true, sorry. The issue I have is the world you live in, of course. You said it, not me, and all anyone needs to do is go to Dalrock’s Blog and read your comments, they can see real well the world you live in.

“I know you will tell me that I am wrong, that women secretly want to be dominated and abused by jerks. But that’s a steaming pile of manure. It’s a self-serving story that lonely men tell themselves to make themselves feel good about being rejected by women. It’s a lot easier to believe that women just don’t appreciate what a good guy you are than it is to take responsibility for poor social skills or to accept that there may be features of your looks or personality that are less than attractive to the people you want to sleep with or date or marry. (And no, I am not trying to “shame” you. I don’t think success with the opposite sex need be the measure of a person’s worth.)”

Hey, how about you take a look out the window and see the huge amount of women who traipse around with the lowliest of men and leave the ‘nice guys’ alone, hmm? 

Let me tell you this one thing, when you try to skew information that the average person can see for themselves, the only thing which happens is that your integrity takes a bath, period. You are the one who is projecting, and this isn’t the first time I have seen you do this either. I mean, you have women crowing over convicts for crying out loud, risking their lives in the stupidest ways possible. In Mala Fide has their stupid woman of the month award and I can say in all honesty that I have encountered women like this in my own life. So Ferdinand can’t get women, is that what you are saying?

Integrity, meet water. Rinse and repeat, right.

Not trying to shame me, nicely veiled, well maybe. And, for your information, I’m married, happily at that. You know nothing about being a man, yet you are trying to tell me about what it may have been that I have done wrong? Once more, how about listening, God, or Nature, whatever you choose to believe, gave you two eyes, two ears, and one mouth.

Get the picture?

If you had paid even a little attention to what it is that men are ‘yammering’ about, you would actually see that there is just a little truth in what it is they are all collectively saying. I can see maybe 20% of guys complaining about this situation, and then I would have to say that they should man up. Yet we have a whole sphere of influence growing everyday which is saying the same thing that maybe women are the problem. Yet you are more concerned about how men are getting things wrong so you can protect women and the sisterhood. 

This is the reason why feminism is losing legitimacy; you are making it clear that equality ISN’T your main goal. Guess what, others can see it too, I’m not the only one who has debated you in the past and I can tell you right now, I won’t be the last.

Maybe it’s you who is wrong, ever considered that?

 “I realize that being rejected is very hard. (Newsflash – women get rejected too.) On the other hand, it is not the same thing as having sand kicked in your face. It is not something evil women are doing TO you. Part of being mature is accepting that other people have a right to live their lives in ways that may not include you.”

That’s insulting, how about you take your own advice in regards to this huh? Sand in my face? Let me tell you a little something. In the Misandry Bubble written by TFH, he wrote about the previous ‘male-defenders’ of women who get fed up and then turn their backs due to all the abuse they take.

I was one of those.

I purchased books, tapes, watched videos, and listened and learned to everything I could in order to understand women so I could ‘alleviate their suffering’. I made sure I went above and beyond for the women in my life (one at a time, just to make that clear) and made sure I was meeting their needs. I had heard many a time about the jerks out there who didn’t do this and I swore I wasn’t going to be one of them.

There is absolutely no way I can describe to you the shock when I realized that women in the aggregate wouldn’t do the same thing for us men, while still demanding that we continue this very same behavior. Let me tell you this; men like me are the worst people for you to be talking to, because we see the sham of Feminism for what it is. We tried to understand you just so we could improve the situations between women and men and all we got was sand kicked in our faces, and I did, oh yes, I did. I know now that no matter what it is that we do, we are always on the hook. If this is the case, then where is your responsiblity.

Feminism has lost it’s legitimacy. Your posts here prove that point and in reality, they always have. Instead of speaking about women and how they may have dropped the ball, you speak to men about how they may have. You ladies all wanted the ball, you will have to take the heat sometimes, deal with it.

“Don’t forget that this goes for women too. If I suddenly found myself single, I wouldn’t have a right to blame hot guys for not wanting to date my 40-year-old ass or for failing to appreciate how nice I am.”

Let me tell you about the women I respect. I’ve only been on the manosphere for a short time and been blogging for far shorter and the amount of women I really and truly respect has only grown by one or two since I started. There is a very small group which shows their integrity every time they show up to a blog and post their opinion. Grerp, Hestia, Susan Walsh, Thag Jones, Dream Puppy (I’ve seen your posts at Dalrock, you have my respect) and a Spearhead poster who goes by Crella. I drop their names quite a bit because they surprise me at their integrity during a time where they could simply join the crowd of entitlement and they choose not to. If a man screws up, they will state it, but if a woman screws up, they will state that too. Not as an afterthought and with no use of the rationalization hamster. Your last address of ‘it goes for women too’ was a late addition. Men are going through issues and you offer this as an afterthought?

At the end of the day, would you like to know why we are in this mess? It’s because when men start off with saying what the issues are with society, women like you state the stuff you have. The truth is that when it comes to feminism, there were still men who LISTENED when women complained, and then LISTENED when they said they had enough. Then they assisted when the going got tough, even if it was in the background. Heck, I’ve been there and done that, my wife had to correct her daughter about telling her that slavery wouldn’t have been abolished if not for some sympathetic white people who helped them. She told her NOT to ‘hate on’ white people because of this. You think Feminism got and stayed here just because of women and women alone? The people ‘below’ always got a helping hand from the people, ABOVE.

I’m still waiting for strident feminists like you to listen. I’m not holding my breath. I did, and so many other men did as well. Our payment; sand in our faces. So please, do not insult our intelligence about how we may have screwed up in the past, we know where we did thank you, the question is, do you?